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Modern Whigs might be interested in some my family history, and yet this one is of immediate interest. After the American Revolution a Military Tract was created to pay those surveyors, soldiers and tradesman for much overdue, or late or misplaced pay. For those who know the area Tully is the point on the map to look for – and the old family home so many years ago now burnt to the ground by some freak accident shortly after my Grandfather died. So, some of the soldiers of the American Revolution simply settled in the area where they were finally paid. So old timers like my Grandfather had those stories passed on.
The bloodthirsty, savage, horrifying attacks of the Onondaga Indians prior to the Treaty of Canandaigua may not be emphasized in history. The news that this tribe of quiet Indians who worshiped the God of Fire would find allegiance with the false elites was met with those who were loyal to the Revolution, gravely, and eventually with steadfast vengeance. None of my family wanted this treaty. The Onondaga Warriors had sided with the false elites.
“Have thou done with them for not a sword shalt be forged that shall dishonor he whose name is freedom nor arrow forged whose name shall not be the blood of vengeance upon my people. We of those who will not bow before Kings, and behold, we would demand that the shackles of the false elites be broken.”
I trust that the Whigs did not misunderstand my attention with regards to this family legend that I related to them. I actually have the deepest admiration for the Onondaga Indian in present day. The fire
rituals of this tribe, the pride, the inner strength and even the enigma of the eerie silence of the tribe
has made me always interested in what they are up to – and most certainly you cannot call them traitors for taking the side of the courtyard & army of King George when, in fact, they were always on the side of themselves. What I'm attempting to state is I have no vendetta against them today – as I think back on the legend that was expounded to me from this time. I hold a fascination and interest in the culture of them, and all Native Americans. No doubt, other tribes did side with Great Britain and the hostility toward them was so strong they were given a place in Canada to avoid persecution. (By direct Order of the royal courtyard) This was not so with the Onondaga Tribe and Great Britain abandoned them to whatever fate or treaty we would delegate. Naturally, to a certain extent the clever, conniving strategy of convincing the Onondaga Warriors to move from neutral to strikes against us by staging a raid against one of their camps was a real three card trick where the entire tribe arose in war. Yet, even today false elites in other forms continue similar three card tricks & as Whigs this is all a lesson to ponder as we study how to turn our country around from the present issues in Washington D.C..
Even further so, I would trust that the Whigs would not misunderstand my attitude toward modern England. They are our allies now and I harbor no vendetta against them. I was simply relating all this to show how & where my family was involved in the American Revolution. As for other families in what became Tully New York from the Military Tract you have the Rainbow family who became corn farmers and the Field family who became apple farmers. My ancestor became a well digger, and back in those days the educational system was still partially apprentice so this occurred with onward generations.
Any other Whigs who have had ancestors involved in early America I am interested in hearing about it.
As everybody knows the Onondaga Indians are the Keepers of the Central Fire. What might not be know is the connection between some of the symbolism of the confederacy of Indian Nations. Yet, this page from the Onondaga Indian website shows us Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin in 1754 actually sought out the advice, and had extremely complex discussions with them. The sum of this meeting was an real influence on our Government.
Go here and prepared to be amazed:
(So, you thought it involved all Freemason symbolism, did you? Well, read this!!!)
Anyone who has studied longhouse religion and Native philosphy will recognize much of their thinking in the Declaration and Constitution even!
Too bad they dont vote. Whigs could really use them!
The morphology of the metaphysics of Native Americans unmasks much data to those who would trouble themselves to analyze. Yet, most scholars seem to meet a dead stop when they begin to analyze its usefulness. The work of corpus linguistics seems to stop and the mysticism isn't even embraced in comparative religion. In addition to this, psychological patterns, syntax, and Governmental structure is passed over as if they do not exist. To be quite frank about it. They have been left to rot precisely where they were several centuries ago. Well, we know they were a civilization that did not develop technology and were still making shoes the same way they did ten centuries (or more) before when we found them. A study of the deer skin shoe lined with rabbit fur shows you it was efficient enough. Yet, nothing changed. At least scholars could do is study all this to understand progressive civilizations compared to these types of mystical civilizations that seem to stand still with regards to progress.
You will find people - some hostile to the fact they carry on with nations within our Nation. Yes, you are correct. They do not vote and this is also an issue with many. I have tried to visualize some type of future with them joining America as real citizens and yet I already know that if it had occurred years ago this would of destroyed their civilization. Today trying to change them would be difficult for Government to enforce. Not a pleasant vision of the future for Native Americans with these issues. I most certainly do not have the answers for this, and I have considered it for many years. If we destroy their nations and demand they join our Nation I think all hell will break loose. Thus far, leaving it all the way it is has been the answer.
As further incentive to address these issues with Whigs with regards to the full citizenship of the American Indian and the annihilation of the Indian Nations we are being stabbed with the horns of many dilemmas. We leave them alone to live in peace with their traditions or we attempt to bring over to the American Way. Either way has its dangers and issues. Some see the Reservations as a civilized attempt at POW camps whereas all them should be shut down. Others see the sublime culture of their traditions to be too important to destroy. We have mixed emotions, mixed feelings and we kick the can down the road to let an answer to these issues be resolved by another generation. I know what type of man I am and the type of men my ancestors were in the American Revolution. I should never run for President nor get elected for any office for my soul still rages from those legends from my family. I would do what Abraham Lincoln did. I would wage war, if necessary, to unite our Nation. Yet, with the Whigs and Henry Clay's method of compromise perhaps, perhaps, this time we can have the cake and eat it too. I only appeal to all Whigs to LOOK at these issues and SEE these issues. Yet, still my mind cannot wash my hands of the iniquity that might prevail. White is white is the lash of the overseer, black is white is the watchword of the slave.
I'm bringing the issue of the American Indian to all Whigs again with the following article for possible discussion. Here's still another issue that might be important for some future resolution, solution or
Here is the article which gives everyone the story on how the Oneida Nation has a beef with NFL with the name “Redskins”. Note that the video which debates the issue has no representative of the Oneida Nation. You would think that a sensible interview would include a dialogue from a representative of the Oneida Nation.
Once again, we have that juggle of compassion with the circus balls of logic where we try to
give a sensible commentary without dropping a ball.
The owner of the Redskins is a rich fellow by the name of Daniel Snyder. Its very hard to find anything wrong with his decision to not change the “Redskins”. He finds the entire scenario a bit tiring where the name after existing since 1937 is suddenly pounced upon by the Oneida Nation as having dangerous, racist connotations. Daniel Snyder did donate one million dollars to assist the victims of the September 11th attack and when Hurricane Katrina occurred he stepped in and donated $600,000 for the victims of that incident. Having done that any attempt from the Oneida Nation to make him look like
a nefarious character is simply going to fall on its face.
As for the Oneida Nation's side of it I continue to be simultaneously suspicious of these subtle proclamations and know that after all, the do represent a stone age culture which has created Nations within my Nation. They do not vote, and when you ask them about loyalties it is the same as been for generations. “The white man took our land” and they profess allegiance to the League of Indian Nations which when you look carefully at the way it exists seems a disguise of the preservation of culture where unmasked – the years would make it a real aggression on the USA.
No doubt, I find the culture of the Native Americans as fascinating as the next American. Yet, we must look with open eyes whether they over the years will harm our way of life or even try to conquer us when at last all the chess pieces of their machinations are in place.
I have this problem with them not joining us in vote. Never participating in any politics but that of their Nations and always taking a stand where they seem to be using our own laws against us for there benefit. They are loyal to themselves as it has always been without a thought of United States Citizenship, without a thought of our Constitution, without a thought about our Bill of Rights.
If moderate Muslims were to play these type of parlor games with US Government actually creating Nations within our Nation using our own laws against us, you can be assured that Homeland Security would be all over them, and all sorts of laws to protect us and neutralize the threat would be put in place in Washington D.C..
So, therefore for what it is worth I bring this article and my comments to the attention of Whigs so they can be aware of what I am observing.
If Whigs are to protect America from any far future take over of the Native Americans or have lawyers among us who would like to take steps to make America whole again by adjusting or even eliminating
those past laws where Federal Acknowledgment of Indian tribes have given them rights to run there own Nations within our Nation you could go to this page which sums it up very well.
I want the United States of America to be one Nation. I would like to see the Native Americans to be full citizens who vote, pay taxes, live among other citizens and are not given more rights or less rights than everyone else.
I would like to see all the reservations closed, and all the Indian Nations dissolved. I realize to do this
might create war & I would not like to see this. Abraham Lincoln made a decision to unite our Nation by waging war and many people died in the Civil War. Yet, this may very well be what will occur if Whigs do not arise in political power and straighten this mess out.
As it stands, I do not know how to make our Nation one Nation without real war or chaos breaking out across America. Yet we Whigs need to resolve this.
The consequences of not observing all this and letting it go on means eventually millions of Americans will die like dogs. The very flesh of Americans will be ripped off our citizens. The pain and suffering will be a blood bath that will awaken in America.
This is not prophecy that I speak but simply a study of the cause and effect of tendency. Will another Abraham Lincoln arise in some future time and unite our Nation again? I know not, and yet
if we begin today to adjust or eliminate these laws we might have a chance of the inevitable disaster that will most certainly sweep our Nation.
I have just written on this forum a new topic called “New Laws” which can be read in relation to the subject matter of this post dedicated to an understanding of the issues of the Native American. I have shown you in this particular post how disaster will occur if we do not eventually end the Nations within our Nation. I show you how a Golden Age will occur in America where the wildest dreams of science will become reality. Philosophy, technology and creative thinking will move forth unhindered on a hundred year scale with a Nation absolutely geared toward its own species. For we are human beings, and it has already been observed in history that we cannot progress with an early man or even Neanderthal type of Government. We will go generation after generation after generation making nothing more than a deerskin shoe.
Yet, the United States of America did something different. You must study those items which are poison to the American way and do what needs to be done. You must study those items which become banquets upon our table and partake of them. Therefore, some laws must be taken off the books and some new laws given which protect ourselves from letting it all slip away.